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Orioles - Nate Andrews from Full Count Chaos visits BaseballBiz On Deck
- Orioles first team to hit 70 game wins
- AL East – would you prefer to go into the season as Wild Card or division winner
- Momentum v Time-Off before post-season
- Since 1990 – MLB’s winningest team has only won World Series 7 times
- Dodgers 106 wins went 1 in 9 in post-season
- Restructure the post-season?
- O’s had 101 wins in regular season last year
- Teams that have to battle it out with more games seem to work harder
- Gerritt Cole – pissed with pre-game ceremony that
- Orioles injuries are insane with pitching,
- Felix Bautista is out, Grayson Rodriguez, John Means, Wells, Webb, Cologne, Kyle Bradish all out
- Thank goodness for Corbin Burnes and adding Zach Eflin who is now 3 – 0 for Orioles
- Is Trevor Rogers an answer to pitching?
- AL East teams are suffering a rough 2nd half of the season
- O’s strong Offense compensating with challenging pitching availability
- Tryout time for O’s pitching – Angels in the Outfield
- Orioles & Yankees trading first place in the League
- Chicago record of 21 games lost in a row matched 1981 Orioles
- Chicago White Sox defeats Yankees – Yankees pitcher was Luis Gil
- White Sox post-game celebration when Eloy Jiminez was traded to O’s
- New ownership group with Orioles – changes from Angelos family
- Baltimore payroll & commitments to next year – 2024 budget - $101 million
- Anthony Santander – in 60 games has hit 25 Home Runs – gotta keep him, Gunnar Henderson & Adley Rutschman
- Youth of O’s team – Jackson Holliday, Colton Howser, Gunnar Henderson & Coby Mayo
- Anthony Santander – veteran on the team is needed. Aided Colton Howser with his batting
- AL East is the Beast
- Brandon Hyde – how can you be critical – weird moves
- Taylor Walls, Jose Siri & Johnny DeLuca are predictable with hitting
- Rays best in MLB pitching since July but coming up short on Offense
- Blue Jays Front Office - what would happen without Bichette & Guerrero Jr
- Alejandro Kirk - great eye - great hitter
- Red Sox quietly climbs up in AL East
- Tampa Bay teams, Bucs, Lightning, Rays up for sale? Mat, Nate & Mark ready to empty their IRA’a
- St. Pete – new stadium for Tampa Bay
- MLB Expansion – Angelos family residence in Nashville, other options
- $830 million dollars on a roof in Montreal for the Big O – why not wait and build a new stadium for a new MLB team
- Review timing of bringing up players from the farm to the show
- Felix Bautista will not return to Orioles until next year
- Rays have seen returning pitchers, Baz, Springs, Rasmussen, Bradley & Pepiot
- Shane McClanahan return probably not until next year
- Dylan Carson & Chris Morel – new Tampa Bay Rays
- Pine Riders – Orioles, Heston Kjerstad – Rays, Austin Shenton
- “Give me the Runs” – Tampa Bay Rays Manager, Kevin Cash - Drink the Water
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Full Count Chaos - Nate Andrews on BaseballBiz On Deck
[00:00:00] Mark Corbett: Welcome to baseball biz on deck. I am Mark Corbett with me today. Of course it's Mr. Matt Germain. And today we have a very special guest, somebody who brings the O's word to us off from the full count chaos. And that's Mr. Nate Andrews. How you doing, Nate?
[00:00:22] Nate Andrews: Good. Thank you for having me on. Always happy to talk Orioles, even when they're first place.
[00:00:27] Nate Andrews: Sometimes it still gives me indigestion to talk about this team, but I'm already, I'm all for it.
[00:00:33] Mark Corbett: Well, brother, come on, Matt and I were talking earlier that we're looking at this team. I mean, were you guys the first ones to hit 70 wins this year?
[00:00:41] Nate Andrews: Yeah, I know. And that's, what's ironic. Um, I think on my last episode that, you know, we're all venting about how bad they've been playing lately.
[00:00:50] Nate Andrews: But then all of a sudden, yeah, first team, it's 70 wins and we're sitting here complaining. I don't know. I guess maybe that's just the normality of sports fans. We're all nuts. We're all crazy. Uh, but yes, that is correct. The Orioles were the first team this season to hit 70 wins. Yeah.
[00:01:10] Mark Corbett: Hey man, how you doing too, as well, buddy has us going up there, up north of the border.
[00:01:15] Mat Germain: I'm not ready to give up summer yet, Mark. You know, up North, we get the little chill in the air, you know, in the middle of the night, a little bit earlier than everybody else. So, uh, we're starting to feel that little chill at the end of the night and, uh, it's, it's kind of, uh, bringing fall around, you know, if you're an Orioles fan is exciting because you're looking at the playoffs.
[00:01:36] Mat Germain: And if you're a Rays fan, you're kind of just a little bit more low on the totem pole.
[00:01:42] Nate Andrews: Not out of it yet though, right? I mean, uh, pertaining to the wild card, aren't you guys, you guys are right in the mix, aren't you?
[00:01:49] Mat Germain: We're six games back right now. You guys are four and a half games up on the wild card. So that will be my first question to you really is would you prefer to be going in on the wild card or to win
[00:02:00] Nate Andrews: the division?
[00:02:00] Nate Andrews: That is so funny. Uh, that ask that, um, Because that's something I was talking about. I, I've always been like the type of guy who would rather be the underdog and that's just, I think, pertaining to, uh, uh, sports superstition, you know, you want to fly under the radar. You don't want to be the team that everyone wants to beat, but seeing the teams that we would have to face.
[00:02:23] Nate Andrews: If we did, let's say, win the division, you know, and then seeing the teams are in the wild card, it's almost like night and day. I don't know. I might have to get back to you on that question. Um,
[00:02:36] Mat Germain: the way I would frame it is this. Would you rather face one of those teams, like, as you're going through a season, as if you're continuing the season and everybody gets to keep going as business per usual, or would you rather have an opportunity to have time off, get cold, have to re sync?
[00:02:52] Mat Germain: Two face one of those,
[00:02:53] Nate Andrews: you know, I don't know. I've always believed in, um, pertaining to sports as momentum, right? I do. I I'm that guy, you know, and, and, uh, over the years, I've always talked to people who disagree, but I don't know. I just, I just feel momentum and again, speaking about, you know, piggybacking on whether or not you would rather, you know, be wild card or first place.
[00:03:14] Nate Andrews: I read a stat that was kind of funny. Um, Pertaining to being the best team going into the playoffs since 1990 MLB's winning winning his team Has won the world series just seven times so I think when I saw that and came across that i'm like, oh no, they're Now my sports superstition has even just raised 100.
[00:03:37] Nate Andrews: Um But yeah, I believe in momentum. I believe in you know, sometimes if you take some time off, I don't know you get rusty
[00:03:48] Mat Germain: When, when
[00:03:49] Nate Andrews: you say
[00:03:49] Mat Germain: that, that's 21% of the time that they, that they've done that since 1990. So
[00:03:54] Nate Andrews: yeah, that's,
[00:03:55] Mat Germain: um, that's not very, uh, very promising oil. No,
[00:03:59] Nate Andrews: I mean, last look at last year, the oils a hundred one sixty one.
[00:04:02] Nate Andrews: I was talking about this, uh, last episode as well. Dodgers 104 and 58, and then, uh, you had the Braves a hundred, um, or the Dodgers 162. They went one in nine last year. In the playoffs. So, you know, I don't know. I mean, it, it might say something pertaining to momentum and, and being the underdog or wildcard, however you want to look at it.
[00:04:21] Nate Andrews: So I don't know if there's something there. Sure. But, Oh,
[00:04:27] Mark Corbett: well, you know, one of the things Matt was talking about too, is, is sometimes the space between games and the post season, you know, and talking about a team getting cold, I mean, it, it happens. Sure. Sure. Matt, Matt, pardon me. Matt's talked about going ahead and restructuring everything in the past.
[00:04:48] Mark Corbett: As far as the postseason, well, we both have, but I don't know what that would be, to be quite honest with you, but it's, it has been a challenge and it's. It's sad, man. It's painful. When you see a team who, what you guys had over a hundred wins last year, right? Yeah. And 101. Yep.
[00:05:10] Nate Andrews: I mean, I was, Oh, geez. Well, yeah, no, I'm with you.
[00:05:15] Nate Andrews: And that was a big, it's been a big conversation pertaining to the. Playoff the way it's structured. I just think
[00:05:21] Mat Germain: baseball is 1 of those games where the players are used to not having much time off except for the all star break. I think is the 1 caveat, but they're all that because, you know, they have so many bus and bruises to go.
[00:05:33] Mat Germain: Uh, but when you're. What I've noticed recently, maybe in the last four years, like since the 2020 season, the teams that have to battle it out the hardest leading into the playoffs seem to have a sharper edge to them that are the fighting spirit that they get through that first series and the second series pretty easily.
[00:05:54] Mat Germain: Yeah, that's it. I've kind of seen it.
[00:05:56] Nate Andrews: I agree. And, and you're right with the time off. I mean, look what happens with pitchers just through regular season. If they have, you know, more than their usual time off, they get thrown, you know, they, they get thrown out of sync and you know, they don't pitch well, or look at a rain delay.
[00:06:12] Nate Andrews: Oh, the picture is sitting too long. We gotta, we gotta get a new picture. So I think in baseball, yeah. When, when you, you know, if you're just not going and going and going and sometimes, yeah, I think it'll, it'll screw up your rhythm.
[00:06:22] Mark Corbett: Well, I've even seen that in an individual game. I know it was the last year, sometime the Yankees were playing, Gerrico was going to take the mound and he thought they were just going to just, I guess, sing the national anthem and then he was going to get out there.
[00:06:35] Mark Corbett: But there was also some little ceremony recognizing somebody and you could see him on the sidelines and he was pissed. You're, you're messing with my, my whole rhythm here. Just even getting out to the mound, brother.
[00:06:50] Nate Andrews: Right. As much as I'm not a fan of Garrett Cole for, for, uh, obvious reasons. I feel for him.
[00:06:55] Nate Andrews: I I'm, I'm on his side with that. I get it. Yeah, that's
[00:06:58] Mat Germain: funny. So now that you stole Zach Eflin from us, um, How does your pitching staff look heading into like the rest of August and September and into the playoffs like how
[00:07:09] Nate Andrews: not good, man. Not good. And that's what's frustrating. And that's why it's funny when you're talking to an Orioles fan and I'm sitting here groaning and being like, oh, I've got heartburn and you're sitting over there going, what the hell are you talking about?
[00:07:19] Nate Andrews: But the injuries are insane with pitching. I mean, again, I don't know if I'm telling you stuff you guys already know, but. You Felix Bautista is out, Grayson Rodriguez, John Means, two big star pitchers, Tyler Wells, Webb, Cologne, you know, our closer Felix Bautista is out, Grayson Rodriguez, John Means, two big star pitchers, Tyler Wells, Webb, Cologne, you know, all these guys, he's big, solid arms gone. They just, you know, they're knocking at Kyle Braddish.
[00:07:41] Nate Andrews: I think, I don't know if I just mentioned him another, you know, number one, number two pitcher that we had. We got none of them. We got Corbin Burns and then Eflin after that, it's just, I watched the game on my knees and pray for nine innings. Eflin's been great, man. I gotta say. You know, since he's been on the Orioles, it would be three and oh, two 33 era 19 innings pitch with 17 Ks, two walks.
[00:08:04] Nate Andrews: The guy's pitching great. Other than that, it's a toss up and the bullpens hurting. Um, uh, you know, I say the Orioles since the all star break, they've been playing 12 and 12. Um, you know, the past was a month and a half. They haven't had more than a two game winning streak. I think that's going on through the entire East division, which is kind of funny.
[00:08:23] Nate Andrews: I think we're all. Playing like 500 ball. I mean, I think the Yankees just lost to the White Sox. Was it 12 to two the other night? But anyway, I'm kind of getting off track here. Yes. I am very happy that Eflin has come on this team because if he didn't, it would be a, um, shaky ride after Corbin Burns pitches.
[00:08:44] Nate Andrews: So when we're thinking Orioles fans are like, all right, well, when we make the playoffs, Who's pitching game three.
[00:08:51] Mat Germain: Yeah. Yeah. I thought. Trevor Rogers might be that guy or might turn things around a little bit or change them now I know it takes some time right when you have new ideas thrown at you or new things, you know Yeah, but I haven't seen much from him and his two starts that says oh, I'm gonna break it out.
[00:09:09] Mat Germain: Like I'm gonna
[00:09:11] Nate Andrews: Yeah, he I mean look he throws what 92 93 max and unfortunately when you don't have an out pitch or you don't have a pitch that Batters look silly trying to hit You're not going to really succeed, uh, in the majors. And unfortunately I, you know, we had a guy Cole Irvin, I don't expect you to know that guys, we, they got rid of them this season, like a few weeks ago.
[00:09:36] Nate Andrews: And he was a left handed pitcher basically as the same ERA, same strike, same whip as Rogers. So we're all just laughing like, Oh my God, we're in the twilight zone. But yeah, man, of your question pertaining to pitching and coming in October, it's a huge concern. It really is. We're just hoping that the Orioles.
[00:09:55] Nate Andrews: They're all fancy to home run or bust. We just hope that every game they hit five, six home runs a game. That's about it. Is there an arm?
[00:10:04] Mat Germain: Yeah. Is there an arm in triple A though, that you could kind of foresee? Because I, I'm personally like a big prospects guy. I have fantasy leagues that have like a crazy amount of numbers and I love Kate Povich.
[00:10:16] Mat Germain: I know he got like a look this season.
[00:10:19] Nate Andrews: Um, well, his problem is he just can't, I think it's probably, so I didn't mean to cut you off there, Matt. What would you say? I said, could he be the game three starter? Well, they tried. They did give him some chances. Uh, he just can't not walk batters. I think he thinks that he gets a bonus at the end of the season.
[00:10:39] Nate Andrews: If he walks a certain amount of guys, I think he needs to go back and reread that because that's not what it says. So I don't know. I Kate Povich sometimes has some signs where you're like, damn, this kid's going to be all right. And then something happens and he just can't. The strike zone. And he had that problem down to the minors too, but he's got a solid arm.
[00:11:01] Nate Andrews: And like I said, there are some games where you're just like, dang, this is it. But unfortunately that is a lower percentage than him walking matters and that's, what's frustrating. So yeah, that's why he's not up here right now. Cause trust me, I mean, you know, it's tryouts for Baltimore with pitching. I mean, if you know someone like, you know, a brother in law who used to let us know because right now it's.
[00:11:27] Nate Andrews: It's it's rough.
[00:11:31] Mark Corbett: Well, we were talking about having something like that recently too. Just what were you saying last week, Matt, about having the, uh, angels in the outfield,
[00:11:38] Mat Germain: the white socks should have a tryout for, for people coming on, but they just beat the Yankees. So, you know, it's like
[00:11:44] Nate Andrews: the Orioles or the Yankees, they keep, they keep wrapping up in a nice little pretty box, the division and going here, you have it.
[00:11:54] Nate Andrews: And the Orioles are like, no, no, no, we can't take it. You have it. It's so crazy. Like, what is happening right now? Oh,
[00:12:00] Mark Corbett: and you know, it couldn't have been any prettier. Okay, let's face it. The White Sox had lost 21 games in a row.
[00:12:08] Nate Andrews: Yeah, you know who they
[00:12:09] Mark Corbett: tied? Who said?
[00:12:11] Nate Andrews: The 1988 Orioles.
[00:12:13] Mark Corbett: Oh, Lord. Oh, sorry, guys.
[00:12:16] Nate Andrews: Yeah, no. But, I
[00:12:17] Mark Corbett: mean, that's your streak. And then you, you, you wind up out of, they may have had, What other laws in between, but I mean, they, then they come up and they beat the freaking Yankees as hard as they did. It was nuts. It was absolutely nuts to watch, you know, so much so that last night, uh, today's to be a Wednesday, August 14th.
[00:12:35] Mark Corbett: But last night I went to bed and the race game was over, it was, it wasn't pleased, but the thing, but I was looking on my phone, what was happening with the Yankees and the White Sox. And finally I said, Oh damn, I got to get back up and turn the TV on because I was looking at the last innings and what was happening.
[00:12:57] Mark Corbett: And suddenly they, at the bottom of the ninth, they had nine, yeah, they had the bases loaded and they had a young player. I can't think it was even in life of me. We would hit a home run. I think the night before
[00:13:12] Nate Andrews: on the White Sox. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:13:14] Mark Corbett: And I said. Jeez. Come on, guys. Come on, guys.
[00:13:18] Nate Andrews: Yeah, I, I just, that, that 12 to 2 game and believe it or not, I, I just, I looked at that score and laughed.
[00:13:23] Nate Andrews: I didn't see the highlight. I, who, who was pitching? Do you happen to know that by any chance? I mean, I have my phone in front of me. I could pull that up, but. Do you know who was pitching for the Yankees that night? It wasn't Garrett Coe. Yeah, I know. Unfortunately.
[00:13:37] Mark Corbett: No, let's see who it was. It wasn't a name I immediately recognized.
[00:13:42] Mark Corbett: Okay,
[00:13:42] Nate Andrews: I was just curious. I didn't mean to, you know, uh, get us off track. Let me see here. Lewis
[00:13:47] Mark Corbett: Gill. He, he, yeah,
[00:13:51] Nate Andrews: oh, Gil was pitching. Oh, okay.
[00:13:54] Mat Germain: Letter surprise of the year. I never saw him coming. I really knew that he had a quality arm and I expected him to go to the pen, but I think that, you know, save the Yankees while Cole was out.
[00:14:05] Mat Germain: He basically, you know, took on that role almost identical in terms of stats. Yeah. What would have done, which is incredible.
[00:14:13] Nate Andrews: But
[00:14:13] Mat Germain: I want to say that for the White Sox, they did an addition by subtraction. When they actually got rid of a lot of the stuff that was weighing them down, it kind of freed up the team.
[00:14:23] Mat Germain: They're not playing for anything. They've got a new tone in there. Grady Sizemore is kind of taking the reins. And sometimes that can be refreshing for a team to the point where they get extra energy, extra focus, and they play harder than a team expects.
[00:14:36] Nate Andrews: Sure. Although, the White Sox, man, they just can't get out of their own way.
[00:14:40] Nate Andrews: I know they've tried to rebuild, they've tried to do I mean, they're almost I don't know if you saw, um, it was all over, uh, uh, social media. They're they're kind of a, uh, classless Organization. Uh, the Orioles picked up, uh, Jimenez from them and, um, the night that they, the Orioles, the news came out that the Orioles got him, the White Sox are doing some post game on TV and they were all celebrating and saying, Oh, where can we send a thank you gift to the Orioles and get this guy off the team?
[00:15:13] Nate Andrews: Like, I don't know, to me, that, that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I, you know, it's like guys, yeah. You're not in the best situation right now to be acting a little,
[00:15:22] Mark Corbett: uh, they're looking for something to celebrate. I'll tell you, I guess that's what it is. Yeah. I mean, cause it isn't there. Yeah. Now the, the owner is the same guy, what he owns the bulls.
[00:15:31] Mark Corbett: And I know some teams have, uh, have conflicts. Some fans have conflicts with their owners. I know that's super bad. I know nothing about
[00:15:41] Nate Andrews: that, but yeah, I hear you.
[00:15:44] Mat Germain: Yeah. How does that feel in terms of that? Cause I know we, the thorn in the side of race fans was the stadium issue and we've got that resolved.
[00:15:51] Mat Germain: You guys, it was a lot of the TV deal and the ownership. How refreshing is it to get that new ownership group in and to finally stop talking about nonsense off the field stuff?
[00:16:02] Nate Andrews: Oh, it's, it's wonderful. I mean, it is refreshing because we're already seeing moves, uh, with. The new owner for these players of, you know, taking on their salary.
[00:16:15] Nate Andrews: We never saw that with Angelos and speaking to Eflin, that that's the guy. And it's just great. It's so weird. John Angelos, I think he was all about, it was like music and concerts first. And then baseball, that was just a whole bizarre situation. But no, to answer your question. Yeah. Fans love it. He's always out in the, um, he's always out in the games talking with the fans.
[00:16:36] Nate Andrews: He, he goes out there. His new thing now is he, he signs hats and then gets down to like the first or second row and throws hats to the fans. And then he throws t shirts and then like a couple of weeks ago, he was, uh, Mr. Splash spraying the hose. I don't know if you guys saw that in right field. Didn't the Philly's owner did do similar things?
[00:16:57] Nate Andrews: He may, yeah, he may have, he may have. I, and, and to me, yeah, I think that's great. You know, he's excited. We're excited. Let's go. So yes, to get the Angelo's family away from the Orioles is a wonderful thing. Wonderful. So basically, uh, I'm happy.
[00:17:17] Mark Corbett: Well, I'm glad to see that. I mean, I'm looking at, you know, Euro's budget.
[00:17:21] Mark Corbett: What are you at now? Is it 75 million or is it more than that for your, your payroll? Surely it's more than that. Uh, I don't know if
[00:17:29] Mat Germain: it is more than that. I can bring it up. Uh, give me one. It may not be more than that. I know. I, I researched because before you came on, I was looking at commitments for next year and the surprising part was that the Orioles have 22 million in commitments next year and the Rays have 37 million.
[00:17:46] Mat Germain: So you, you guys like based on your past. Spending because you have reached, you know, 150 million plus in a season So when you look at the 130 million, you have a lot of room to to add how you see fit Obviously you have options to pick up and etc. It's a hundred
[00:18:05] Nate Andrews: and yeah, 101 million, right? I knew that one, right?
[00:18:09] Nate Andrews: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay How would you spend that money? Uh, well first off Santander Anthony Santander right now. Um, oh my god, the guy is just You His bat has just come alive. I mean, it's either he's walking or he's hitting a home run. I mean, he hit a home run, 37 home runs. Um, the guy's going nuts 60 game in 60 games.
[00:18:33] Nate Andrews: He's hit 25 home runs and it was a crazy step. There's only two other people who's done that, um, since the beginning of June, Mickey Mantle and Chipper Jones. So I'm afraid, you know, he's getting older. He's not as fast in the outfield. He's got a good glove, but he's slow. I'm afraid they're going to make a mistake.
[00:18:51] Nate Andrews: Nelson Cruz was on the Orioles, um, years ago and the Orioles let him go. And then of course, for the next 10 years, Nelson Cruz is on a highlight reel every night. So I'm hoping that's not what the Orioles do, but yeah, first off Santander. But number two guy of just dumping a bag of money on the table for it.
[00:19:11] Nate Andrews: You gotta go Gunnar Henderson. Yeah. Um, that's him. Him in
[00:19:16] Mat Germain: Adley. Like, I just think if you have those two, you're going to have success for a long time.
[00:19:21] Nate Andrews: I think so. I think so. I mean, Adley, we're starting to see is, is his arm is a little, Oh, sorry guys. I got the game on in the background and it looked like I was about to watch a little league play where everybody runs into each other trying to get the fly ball.
[00:19:35] Nate Andrews: Um, I've seen that a lot lately too, with the Orioles defense. I think there's these young guys are just tired, unfortunately, but, um, uh, yeah, Adley, Adley, Great ball player. Just phenomenal. Um, his arm, it's a little iffy, but other than that, I think, you know, uh, uh, he's top catcher and I have to go back and look, uh, on, um, uh, uh, stopping, uh, balls from going by and, um, yeah.
[00:20:04] Nate Andrews: Gunner, Adley, Santandier. That's it? Well, you mentioned rebuild around them again, let's go through another rebuild.
[00:20:12] Mark Corbett: I remember you and I had on a show in February of 2023. And I think Mike Elias had said, we're not going to be talking about rebuild anymore.
[00:20:22] Nate Andrews: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I said, uh, on the podcast, if I ever use the R word again, you know, that's like a 20 bill in the jar.
[00:20:28] Nate Andrews: So we, we don't say the R word anymore,
[00:20:30] Mark Corbett: but look at that young, young staff that you have out there, man. I mean, when I look at these guys, Nate, and I'm seeing. Colton Kouser, Kobe Mayo, Gunnar Henderson, Jackson Holliday, Jackson Holliday can't even drink beer yet. You know, come on legally.
[00:20:47] Nate Andrews: Oh, and he looks like he's 50.
[00:20:48] Nate Andrews: He's going to get carded for alcohol for at least the next 10 to 15 years. I mean, he looks 12 years old and what he's doing right now when he first came up. I'm sure the whole world knew. I mean, MSNBC, uh, cut to freaking Jackson Holliday coming up to home plate when he came to bat, but he, the tension was on him so much.
[00:21:07] Nate Andrews: He just didn't do well when he first came up, but now he comes up and now he's the only Orioles player to ever hit five home runs in over a 10 game span before turning the age of 21. I mean, yeah, he's just every other hit. It's a home run right now. And the, um, the batting coach, people are like, well, what?
[00:21:26] Nate Andrews: Yeah. The hell's going on here? What was different? He just said his leg kick and his hand positioning. Just a little, little bit of a, uh, difference. That's all it took. And relaxing. I think it was like, it was a circus when he first came up. Yeah. I mean, you know, his dad and his brother, We're in the crowd and there was like a hundred people in line just to get their autograph.
[00:21:50] Nate Andrews: It was a circus. And I think the poor kid just crushed under pressure. And now it's just a regular call up. Like, Hey, let's play some ball. Yeah, let's do it.
[00:22:01] Mark Corbett: Yeah. If you look at him on baseball reference, you're going to see a number for batting average and on base that is much lower, pardon me, that is much lower than the performance he's giving now.
[00:22:13] Mark Corbett: And this is silent time. Dare give any coaching to those young men.
[00:22:18] Nate Andrews: Yes. That's funny that you say that he sure did. He, there's an article that Baltimore banner just put out. I talked about this. This is so cool. He fixed, I guess you could say fixed Colton Calzer, Anthony. Could see Colton swing and he could see he was slumping and Santander has been in that situation.
[00:22:38] Nate Andrews: He's like, I, I know what he's going through and he walked up to Colton. He said, look, man, right now you're swinging a 33 and a half. Trust me. I see your swing. Try a 34. Now at first, Colton was like, I don't know, man, I'm comfortable with the 33 and a half. And he said, just trust me. Well, he took some batting practice.
[00:22:56] Nate Andrews: He worked on it and guess what? His first hit of the, after the all star break, he crushed a 424 at home run off of Nathan Eovaldi. So Anthony was seeing something in his swing and he knew just, just a little heavier bat, a little longer. It was a 31 ounce. He went to a 31. 8. And since then he's been crushing it.
[00:23:16] Nate Andrews: Like 37 with a nine 68 OPS since the all star break. And that's all because Anthony saw what he was going through and knew how to fix it. So that kind of stuff. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta bring him back.
[00:23:29] Mat Germain: This is why people love to talk to other all stars when they go to the all star game and they get tips from them and they get, you know, they rub shoulders with other guys that, you know, have information that they may or may not have thought of before.
[00:23:41] Mat Germain: Oh, and baseball always seems to have those stories of, Oh, that guy just did this, or that guy just did that. Like, there's so many redemption stories out there that it's amazing. I love it. Those are the stories I grab onto.
[00:23:54] Nate Andrews: Oh yeah. It's so cool. I mean, he was a 2016 rule five pick. I mean, you know, it's just amazing where, you know, how far he's come.
[00:24:04] Nate Andrews: So yeah, man, it's a Santander. I hope after hearing that story, I really hope, you know, he's a guy cause the Orioles need a veteran right now, because when they were going in a bad slump, the problem was, yeah, look at all these flashy young guys and these young flashy arms. But when you haven't been through something like, you know, the, the, the dog days of summer and the slump, you don't, you need sometimes those veteran guys to go, Hey, listen, guys, I've been here.
[00:24:29] Nate Andrews: That, you know, I, I've been through this, you know what I mean? So you need that. You need those veteran guys. When I look
[00:24:35] Mat Germain: at him in terms of contract and what may be offered and accepted, I kind of think of Kyle Schwarber with, uh, with the Phillies. Ah, yes. I think like 20 million a year, give them 80 million.
[00:24:46] Mat Germain: I don't know if all of it's guaranteed. It could be some incentives in there and some options. To me, that would be around the range where you would lock it up. He would accept and probably with it. Oh,
[00:24:57] Nate Andrews: make fans extremely happy. And it also convinced fans that new ownership coming to, okay, you mean business, like this is a great signing because I can tell you if this kind of stuff was going on three, four or five years ago, this would be it for Anthony.
[00:25:10] Nate Andrews: Contract up. See you later.
[00:25:14] Mat Germain: If you're, if you're with the raise, it's a lot sooner than that. I'll tell you that much.
[00:25:19] Nate Andrews: What's that? What, what do you say that again?
[00:25:22] Mat Germain: If you're with the raise, it's a hell of a lot before you
[00:25:24] Nate Andrews: get the 20 million. Well, you guys, I mean, you know, you're always in what the top three. Payroll, but you're still winning.
[00:25:33] Nate Andrews: I mean, you know, come on, don't get, you know, anything
[00:25:35] Mat Germain: about the guys that you dealt to us, like, did you, did you follow them ahead of time? Or did you know much about them before they were dealt
[00:25:43] Nate Andrews: a little bit here and there, I mean, they, they were definitely guys that we were talking about. I mean, you're talking about what Jackson.
[00:25:51] Nate Andrews: I think it was Matthew, Edsel, who else I'm trying to think, Jackson, Ballmeister and Mack and Horvath, Mack Horvath, right? Yeah, no, they were definitely, I mean, Mack Horvath was number 10 prospect, Ballmeister was number 17. So they were definitely guys that a lot of fans were like, oh crap, you know, and that happened, but you know, the other fans knew Eflin and were excited.
[00:26:15] Nate Andrews: So it was like both ways, but no, those, you guys, Yeah, you guys got some good ones there. Um, I mean if you still talk some Orioles fans are still bitter Even though Eflin's pitching his little hiney off, uh, there's still are some fans are like, dang, yeah,
[00:26:30] Mat Germain: my favorite of the bunch was Jackson Balmester just because I know the Rays have a knack for convincing pitchers to pitch in the zone.
[00:26:38] Mat Germain: You're just talking about, you know, the Povich and his relentless avoidance of the, of the zone. I think what broke the Rays back was when they had to deal with Blake Snell. For so many years, and he just got tired of it. And I think they snapped and he just said, no, that's it. We're in the zone.
[00:26:55] Nate Andrews: I got to tell you the pitching staff on the raise and the scouts on the raise.
[00:26:59] Nate Andrews: I mean, I hope one day they make a 30 for 30 ESPN about those guys. Cause it, you know, it's impressive what they always do with their pictures. Um, but yeah, Blake Snell, that's a. It's a fun name to talk about.
[00:27:12] Mark Corbett: Yeah, it's, it's good to see him get his, uh, nine innings in and no hitter. And yeah, we were talking about that last week.
[00:27:20] Mark Corbett: So, Hey, guess what? Boys and girls, he can't do it.
[00:27:23] Nate Andrews: Yeah, they, right, right. Sure. Sure. Uh, Oh, Hyde's getting hairy. Oh, he's getting in the um, space. Here we go. Here we go. Oh, Brandon Hyde.
[00:27:33] Mark Corbett: You've been critical of him lately. Haven't you
[00:27:36] Nate Andrews: a little bit? He's been making some, you know, how can you be critical of a, of a manager who, you know, On a team like the Orioles, but I've always said I think managing is a little overrated and like Joe Maddon said back in the day Managing a baseball team is one of the easiest things you can do.
[00:27:49] Nate Andrews: But anyway, uh, yeah, so I've it's you know, I'm almost embarrassed to To, uh, criticize Hyde, but he's made some really weird moves lately. It's almost like this team's doing well. And he's like, well, well, I want to look like I'm part of it too. So he just starts like making these weird pinch hits and taking pictures out for no real, ah, whatever it is.
[00:28:11] Nate Andrews: Look, I got to keep my blood pressure down. My doctor said, take it easy. So
[00:28:15] Mark Corbett: we'll get, we'll let you take a breath here for a moment then, Matt. Hey, I mean, Nate, Matt, uh, Taking a look at some of the challenges the Rays have had right now, what would you say are some of the key components that the Rays are facing?
[00:28:29] Mat Germain: The Rays are relentlessly addicted to, uh, trying to squeeze any sort of offense out of guys that should be in Triple A. And And that's for half of the lineup, really. Yeah. And that's what's driving down their chances of catching up in the wildcard race right now. I think they're getting one hit so far tonight.
[00:28:51] Mat Germain: Um, why is that? Why do you think that is Matt? I think it's, well, First of all, the, the voice in terms of the adjustments and everything else in the approach, I think has become predictable the point where pitchers are able to attack them in a certain way, and they know they're going to get them out. That includes even Brandon Lau the majority of the time as well, but he's had some success when he actually, you know, is able to, to.
[00:29:13] Mat Germain: adjust, um, and he's a little bit more veteran so he can do that. But a lot of the guys like Taylor Walsh, Johnny DeLuca, um, they're, and Jose Siri, they're just too predictable. They, they, they haven't made any adjustments to what pitching is doing to them. So they're not able to be consistent drivers. Now, Jose Siri did catch fire for a bit.
[00:29:32] Mat Germain: I think it's because he was going to lose his job and they kind of lit a fire under him.
[00:29:36] Nate Andrews: Oh yeah.
[00:29:37] Mat Germain: But, uh, other than that, I think the Rays are kind of in this weird transition now that they've made a lot of trades where the guys are, the core that's coming is mostly in AAA, outside of Junior Cabinero.
[00:29:50] Mat Germain: And, and so they can't really call them up out of AA. They have to wait for that little bit longer for them to go through AAA next year, a little bit. Right. And that's the raise way. They're never going to ask them to jump. Uh, yeah.
[00:30:02] Nate Andrews: Raise our team. They don't, they don't rush their players too much. Do they?
[00:30:05] Nate Andrews: I've noticed they're the opposite of the angels
[00:30:07] Mat Germain: pretty
[00:30:07] Nate Andrews: much when it comes to position. Okay. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. I thought I had. You know, I don't want to go down too much of a rabbit hole of talking about, you know, with the rays in October, I, cause I still have a little bit of faith, but I just thought, you know, they, I had them, I guess, doing a little better this season.
[00:30:26] Nate Andrews: So,
[00:30:27] Mat Germain: yeah,
[00:30:29] Nate Andrews: that's what I was talking about in the beginning of the season. It was the pitching that I was looking at where I'm like, oh boy, they're going to be a problem. Even more so now like
[00:30:37] Mat Germain: they're pitching since july 1st is the best in mlb Yeah, and it's just they haven't been able to get the hitting support to go around that and I was including when they had randy Rosarena and everybody getting hot They still weren't as a group because they're so hooked on taylor walls and a bunch of guys that are ruining the rune They're uh runners in scoring position chances so if you're not able to drive guys inconsistently your pitching's just It really doesn't matter.
[00:31:03] Mat Germain: You're, you're asking so much of them to be perfect that, uh, I mean, six games back with what they've had to deal with so far this year and how lackluster a lot of the season's been, it's a miracle that there's still only six games back.
[00:31:17] Nate Andrews: No, that's true. And again, that just goes to show you the, the East, such a pain in the butt division, man.
[00:31:26] Nate Andrews: If
[00:31:28] Mat Germain: you look at the Royals, uh, record without the White Sox included, they're at 500,
[00:31:35] Nate Andrews: which is,
[00:31:35] Mat Germain: you know,
[00:31:36] Nate Andrews: yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it seems like every season you can have a conversation with every team that's in the East and like put them in another division and it's like, Oh, they'd probably be leading.
[00:31:46] Nate Andrews: So it's just, yeah, the East is a beast, man. It's a whole different universe.
[00:31:53] Mark Corbett: It's been interesting this year. Like I said, I, we'd all hoped that our rays were going to be doing better. You know, I think at the beginning of each season, Nate and I are talking and saying, well, you know, we hope that we're meeting at the top by the end of the season.
[00:32:07] Mark Corbett: But I'm glad you guys are there. And. I know some folks say, well, you know, who's, who's your favorite team? I was working down at the museum the other day. So who's your favorite team? And I asked them about theirs. They say, well, yeah, well, mine's mine is the twins. And my, my second favorite team is whoever's playing the Yankees.
[00:32:23] Mark Corbett: Yeah.
[00:32:26] Nate Andrews: I think a lot of people can agree on that. Yeah. He's your favorite team. Anyone playing the Yankee?
[00:32:31] Mark Corbett: That's it, brother. That's it. But it's, it has been. An interesting year. And I think in many ways, I look at what's happening with the blue Jays. And I think my. Gosh. Yeah. Talk about crapping the bed. My
[00:32:46] Mat Germain: goodness.
[00:32:48] Nate Andrews: How
[00:32:48] Mat Germain: are they not making changes to that front
[00:32:50] Nate Andrews: office? How do you stay with that group? I don't know, man. Somebody's got something on somebody over there. I have no idea. It's just, it's unexcusable. I mean, again, they were, I, you know, some of the, uh, articles and networks that you tune into, they were supposed to be one of the top teams this year.
[00:33:11] Mat Germain: Yep. I think they, they definitely have a, let's say, okay. So Bichette and Guerrero, let's say either, or leave or both leave. What is the core in Toronto?
[00:33:26] Nate Andrews: There wouldn't be a conversation about a core. I mean, that would be, yeah, it's one
[00:33:31] Mat Germain: guy, the either way or no guy. So, I mean, you can't say Alejandro Kirk.
[00:33:36] Mat Germain: You can't say,
[00:33:38] Nate Andrews: he's such a pain in the butt, man. I tell you, I love that little butter ball, but. He, I tell you, he, he reminds, you know, he's like an Altuve 2. 0. He a poor man's Altuve. He just, he's just something, man. He's always. Getting hits. I mean, I would love for a guy like that. Come on. But anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off and go down a whole thing of a little butter ball.
[00:34:02] Nate Andrews: Sorry about that.
[00:34:03] Mat Germain: The Rays have a small player in AAA called Ronnie Simone and he's exactly that type of guy. He just seems to get the bat on every ball pitched and fouling off a million of them and he's a great hitter. It's insane.
[00:34:16] Nate Andrews: Yeah,
[00:34:16] Mat Germain: that's what, yeah,
[00:34:17] Nate Andrews: like Kirk, like no matter, like Corbin Burns can't get him out.
[00:34:21] Nate Andrews: It's so stupid. Like, what is it? And I remember my wife walked in the room one day and she saw him off of that and she's like, who is this guy? I'm like, Hey, have some respect. This is Kirk, you know, but you see a guy five foot two, you know, he's wider than he is taller, but what a player, man. It's ridiculous.
[00:34:39] Mat Germain: Oh, he's a great bad grade. I like you can't teach that stuff. It's just pure. No,
[00:34:44] Nate Andrews: you can't, you can't, but I don't know. Yeah. The blue jays. It's an interesting, uh, Interesting conversation to talk about the front office and what they've done and what they should have done and where they're at. When you
[00:34:55] Mat Germain: contrast them, this is what I, drives me nuts.
[00:34:57] Mat Germain: Okay. I'm just going to go out there. So the, the Red Sox this off season got torn to shreds and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They are one great pitching performance, surprise performance away from competing. And yet the Blue Jays are getting all this great press. Like they just, you know, they're going to dominate.
[00:35:18] Mat Germain: They're going to be at the top. They're going to be in contention for the wild card. I was like, what am I not seeing? Cause I thought the Jays were going to be fourth and the Red Sox were going to be challenging. Oh, so you had the Jays in fourth. Fourth or fifth. So I actually had them fifth because I saw the lack of pitching depth.
[00:35:39] Mat Germain: Okay. I knew they weren't going to all be healthy all season long. I didn't have any faith in that and turned out to be somewhat right. Um, and then the, the, the lack of depth in the offense and just the focus on D completely, uh, it was just sold out, you know, the roster you breaking it down.
[00:35:55] Nate Andrews: No, you ha they had me fooled in the beginning of the season.
[00:35:58] Nate Andrews: I mean, I didn't have them winning the division. But I just had them doing better than they are right now. But no, I, I, I hear you, but no, I agree with Boston. What you're saying? Absolutely. A hundred percent on that dangerous process right now. Well, I mean, they, they're not, they just keep winning. Like they're sneaky right now.
[00:36:18] Nate Andrews: Like they're there. Everyone's like having their little party up there. Orioles, Yankees, you know, and they're quietly tiptoeing up to the, uh, party. They're about to make an entrance because. They're not far behind. That's what I mean. I, you know, we're talking about the rays and the Red Sox and the standings.
[00:36:35] Nate Andrews: I'm sorry, man. But you know, talk to me mid September and maybe I'll be convinced what, what's going to be happening here in October, but yeah, not right now, man, not right now.
[00:36:48] Mat Germain: There's a report in, uh, in the Tampa area where the, uh, the lightning are up for sale, apparently, which I think surprised everybody.
[00:36:56] Mat Germain: Uh, and the somewhere around 2 billion, was it Mark that's being advertised for that?
[00:37:01] Mark Corbett: Yeah.
[00:37:02] Mat Germain: And then it comes out that the bucks turned down over 6 billion in, in terms of an offer that they received. So my question would be this for 10 billion, you could probably get all three franchises. No kidding. Let's pull some money together guys.
[00:37:20] Mat Germain: I'm loving it, brother.
[00:37:22] Nate Andrews: Yeah. Let me go look at my IRA. See what I got. Tell my wife. I'm sure that'd be a good discussion at night
[00:37:28] Mat Germain: sold for what? 1. 7 billion. I think
[00:37:31] Nate Andrews: that sounds about right. Yep. I think you're right. The Rays
[00:37:33] Mat Germain: be somewhere around there. I don't know. I can't, you
[00:37:36] Mark Corbett: know, you got to add all the business development to it.
[00:37:39] Mark Corbett: Now add to all that extra development area.
[00:37:42] Nate Andrews: Yeah. What do they do? What's the, um, situation with the, uh, stadium, new stadium?
[00:37:48] Mark Corbett: It's locked and loaded as far as a deal being signed by both the city council and the county commissioners and a lot of money they're going to be pouring into it, but it's not just going to be a stadium.
[00:37:58] Mark Corbett: It's a whole business development area, apartments. Damn
[00:38:02] Mat Germain: good for them.
[00:38:03] Mark Corbett: Yeah. Storefront 6.
[00:38:04] Mat Germain: 5 billion for the area. Isn't it somewhere around there? Yeah. And where is it going
[00:38:08] Nate Andrews: to be built? It's not next to the truck. Is it really? Yes. That's amazing. Oh,
[00:38:18] Mark Corbett: all
[00:38:18] Nate Andrews: right, let's do it. Let's keep the party going in the truck.
[00:38:22] Nate Andrews: Yeah. St. Pete, man, bring it.
[00:38:26] Mark Corbett: That's why it's Tampa Bay. It's not Tampa and it's not St. Pete's Tampa Bay. We really. Being here in Tampa now for like the last 19 years, really, really, really, really, really wanted it on this side of the water. Uh, but I'm glad they're here.
[00:38:42] Nate Andrews: Keep the party going. Yeah,
[00:38:44] Mark Corbett: brother. I'm just, I'm just glad we still have a party.
[00:38:46] Mark Corbett: So we'll say
[00:38:48] Nate Andrews: shit. Oh, excuse me. Yeah. You're not kidding. Yeah, because there are some rumors. I'm laughing because, you know, last year, the year before with the Angelo's family about, you know, the Orioles leaving, that's why I'm kind of PTSD when you when you say stuff like that.
[00:39:03] Mat Germain: What are your thoughts on expansion now that the Rays and the A's seem to have their stadium issues, you know, figured out next year should be all about expansion talk.
[00:39:12] Mat Germain: So where do you think the two franchises should go?
[00:39:16] Nate Andrews: Oh, man, that's one where I'd have to. I don't know. Um, that is definitely a, uh, question I have not been asked. Uh, I don't think, I don't, I don't like Las Vegas. I've always scratched it off the list. I don't, I don't know. Uh, it's like sports fans. Aren't there.
[00:39:34] Nate Andrews: It's just tourists. Um, Hmm. What's that they've done well with hockey. They're well, that's very true. Well, I don't know. Let me piggyback off of your thoughts that you, I mean, you asked that. So I'm assuming it's on your mind. What, what are you thinking? So
[00:39:54] Mat Germain: I don't know. I think the sister city concept, the rays were trialing with Montreal was actually in part.
[00:40:00] Mat Germain: For expansion. So I think MLB might have been toying with the idea that when expansion happens, they could have some, something like a sister city. If they don't, I still think Nashville is the number one choice personally. Yeah. I think they have a really strong ownership group. They have a fan base that would support it.
[00:40:17] Mat Germain: And the fact that they're doing the NASCAR thing there now, uh, tells me that they're trialing, you know, the amping up of MLB in that state as well. Well,
[00:40:25] Nate Andrews: what's funny you say Nashville. Um, and, and you talk and I just said PTSD, let me tell you, Nashville was one of, one of the areas that they were talking about the orders we're going to move to because not only again, it was just a rumor that was starting, but John Angelos has a house out in Nashville and his wife is huge.
[00:40:47] Nate Andrews: Um, in the, um, country music. I forgot how she was involved. I just forgot. So. Hearing the rumors, putting two and two together, hearing Nashville, you're thinking, Oh my God, Mark. I think like last time or the time before we were talking about her, I was sick to my stomach thinking, you know, that that could be a possibility, but no, I, I'd like to see Montreal,
[00:41:08] Mat Germain: you know,
[00:41:09] Nate Andrews: they, they got that team taken from them.
[00:41:11] Nate Andrews: Give them a team.
[00:41:12] Mat Germain: What they're doing in Montreal right now. I'll update. Yeah. They're spending 830 million on a new roof for the big O. Oh, there you go. All right. You know, send that money, that could be an indication, but why not build a new stadium if you're just gonna spend 830 million on a new roof? Oh God.
[00:41:34] Mat Germain: Go all in. Build the stadium to go with it.
[00:41:37] Nate Andrews: Really? My, that's nothing these days. Eight, 830 million, right? That's nothing these days. It's, uh, . I don't know. That's, that's pretty wild. Yeah. I didn't know that. That's. I can't even comprehend that much money. So,
[00:41:52] Mark Corbett: well, you know, I want to touch on one last thing.
[00:41:55] Mark Corbett: I'm curious about, we can talk about some of these too, and Matt certainly bring anything up. I forgot. And that is how you guys bring up these young folks. I mean, we were, I was talking about how many of these guys were born after 2000 and Jackson Holliday. I said, here he is. He's just 20 years old. And what you drafted him two years ago.
[00:42:17] Mark Corbett: Yeah. Um, we don't do that, you know, I know, I know.
[00:42:22] Nate Andrews: Yeah, that's right. Yep. Yep.
[00:42:23] Mark Corbett: Matt and I've been talking about junior Caminero and we didn't think he was ever going to bring him up until around the 26th or so, because the status, Matt, explain that part again, if you don't mind, if
[00:42:36] Mat Germain: they would have waited until the 25th of August, he would have been a rookie eligible next year and they could have got traffic.
[00:42:42] Mat Germain: You guys got this year.
[00:42:43] Nate Andrews: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that's what Elias does that a lot. That's why a lot of Oriole fans, they get angry that Elias doesn't bring up players sooner than he does, uh, but that's why.
[00:42:57] Mat Germain: Yeah, I think that the whole time thing needs to go away completely. I think that there's just no need.
[00:43:02] Mat Germain: Like I told Mark, I agree
[00:43:04] Nate Andrews: with that 100%.
[00:43:05] Mat Germain: I think when you draft a player, there should be a set timeline from the day you sign him. That's it. There's no, there's no minors or majors time. It's the clock starts when he's signed as a minors player.
[00:43:17] Nate Andrews: That's interesting. Yeah. I'm all for it. Let's do it. Um, yeah, that is something that I would sign you.
[00:43:24] Nate Andrews: There's a petition going around.
[00:43:25] Mat Germain: I'd sign it. Absolutely. For sure. The team is on the clock, not the player, right? Not the agent. Yeah. It's the team that's on the clock. Sure.
[00:43:34] Nate Andrews: Yeah. I like that too. I like that too. But yeah, the, uh, Orioles, man, they just, it's just a revolving door of these young guys coming up lately.
[00:43:42] Nate Andrews: I think, um, you know, injuries,
[00:43:46] Mark Corbett: who do you see coming back from injuries? I mean, or was, I'm not sure about Felix Bautista, how the injury is with him. And he'll be back
[00:43:53] Nate Andrews: next year. He was throwing today in center field, getting fans excited, you know, throwing some heat a little bit and fans are like, Oh my God, is he coming back?
[00:44:01] Nate Andrews: This is no, no, no. Calm down. So he won't be back this year.
[00:44:06] Mark Corbett: Well, the rays, we've seen a trickle of some of the greatest ones we had in the past come back and some of them are still kind of. Getting there, uh, getting warmed up. I mean, we had Shane boss come back, uh, Jeffrey Springs, and it probably won't be until next year we see Shane McClanahan take the mound again.
[00:44:22] Mark Corbett: Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these things, Matt.
[00:44:26] Mat Germain: That's all accurate. I, I will say Shane McClanahan's. A fiery guy and a furious competitor and he's pushing himself I think he has a thought in his head that he can possibly make it back But unless the rays are in the thick of it and actually make the playoffs I don't think there's a chance that he comes back at all this year But don't be don't be surprised that if they do somehow go on the winning street, which they haven't done yet this year Which is just incredible to me Like if they do that and he's able to jump in at some point he would I think that he absolutely would Try to push his body that way
[00:45:01] Mark Corbett: Yeah, and just looking again at some of the folks we get during trade time, so Dylan Carlson, and he seems to be doing pretty well for the race.
[00:45:09] Mark Corbett: I'm trying to think of some other ones who've come over. Uh, it's difficult, you know, after trades to see how the chemistry is going to work out. But it seems to be working with him and I'm trying to get some of the other ones. We could point to Chris
[00:45:23] Mat Germain: morale was the one that they got and he's just he had a little spark at the beginning and he's been lackluster ever since I think he's putting a lot of pressure on himself to become the power bad the raised need and instead of just being himself and letting it fly.
[00:45:38] Mat Germain: Um, he's, he's pressing a little bit and you can tell I think Dylan Carlson is someone that they could potentially have found That's a little bit of a gem That's a little bit of a solution in the outfield along with Richie Palacios and uh, Josh Lowe Like between that trio you can see the the start of something somewhat exciting Especially if Josh Lowe is healthy for the rest of the year or next year, but he's like You can't put too much on him, but the fact that he's a switch hitter to me is very intriguing and that he comes from the Cardinals.
[00:46:08] Mat Germain: The Rays have had success with Cardinals outfielders and switching them on after they leave. So, uh, I'm really encouraged by Dylan Carlson and what he has to offer, but more so, I think that the Rays kind of the revamp of the pen, they've just been lights out ever since they made all those changes. Yeah.
[00:46:27] Mat Germain: And that's been the real eye opener to me. So if you're if they're they're getting pepio back, uh friday So now that you have the rotation with bradley Bradley's been struggling a little bit but bradley boz latell springs and pepio, you know They're gonna get that support from the pen So all they need really is you know, four to five runs from the offense and and they're gonna take off They just can't seem to get there.
[00:46:52] Nate Andrews: Love it. I love the breakdown
[00:46:55] Mark Corbett: Yeah, the, uh, the offense is kind of critical. Oh man. So coming back again, looking at what's going on with the O's. What, what are your hopes then for the next few weeks? What do you really want to see the O's doing that they haven't done recently?
[00:47:11] Nate Andrews: Play good baseball. There you go.
[00:47:14] Nate Andrews: Oh, no, no, it, you know, it's funny because they're 13. And I mean, they're 12 and 13 right now. Um, since the all star break. Um, and you just see them because they're young, they're tired, they're doing silly airs. So I know it's kind of ironic. I feel, I feel stupid sitting here. Can I ask a
[00:47:34] Mat Germain: question just generally because there's one frustration with me this year with the Rays and it's been very obvious and I've been highlighting it on X.
[00:47:42] Mat Germain: They had Austin Shenton with the team for the first third of the year and they gave him, I think, 40 at bats. Right through that time, they had to ride the pine and barely get any playing time. Yeah, it's hard to get in any groove whatsoever. Um, and they're doing the same thing now with Ken Meisner since August 2nd, they've given them like eight at bats.
[00:48:01] Mat Germain: So they're essentially playing with a 25 man roster. Right. Do the Orioles do the same? Is there a pine rider, you know, in the lineup? Absolutely. There is. Yes.
[00:48:10] Nate Andrews: Yep. There is a guy Heston Kersted. Um, yeah, I don't know. What's that? Yeah. Of all guys, like you should be getting advanced. That's what's so frustrating, I know.
[00:48:23] Nate Andrews: It's, yeah, so I think all teams do. I mean, I'm pretty sure you could ask any fan of any team, and there's always that one. Yeah, I just, it's frustrating to see that. I mean, again, when you question it, you know, who am I to question what they're doing? But at the same time, we're all seeing the same games. We all have the same stat sheets.
[00:48:41] Nate Andrews: We have all the same stuff that all these managers have. And general managers are like, what, what are we not seeing? Like. Please tell us. What are we not seeing? It's
[00:48:51] Mat Germain: frustrating because then you sit there, right? And you watch, uh, I know he's not a catcher, but Alex Jackson has a 25 WRC plus this year. Yeah.
[00:49:00] Mat Germain: Taylor walls is a 58 WRC plus
[00:49:03] Nate Andrews: Jose
[00:49:03] Mat Germain: Siri has an 86 Johnny DeLuca has a 78. How are you supposed to build an offense? Right? When when the majority of your, your lineup is 20 percent under the average.
[00:49:15] Nate Andrews: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:49:16] Mat Germain: You know,
[00:49:16] Nate Andrews: I, I, I, I'm with you. It's frustrating. It's frustrating. I don't, um, yeah, don't have an answer.
[00:49:24] Nate Andrews: Apparently they have an answer, but I guess
[00:49:27] Mat Germain: it did not seem like he had an answer last name. He's getting interviewed. It was like, I just bought some runs, please give me the run, drink the
[00:49:38] Nate Andrews: water.
[00:49:38] Mat Germain: You
[00:49:42] Nate Andrews: guys are still on the cabin cash. Great. Right. I mean, you guys still have fans of his right. Oh, yeah.
[00:49:47] Mat Germain: Yes. I, I, I just think he's been, he's been dealt a hand that he can't trust fully.
[00:49:53] Mat Germain: Unlike the previous years. Yeah. Previously, he was able to trust every guy, use them accordingly, uh, use their, cause to me, the frustrating part with the Austin Shenton thing for the first thing, the third of the year, he crushes right handed pitching and they struggled against right handed pitching. The first, Third of the year, like big time.
[00:50:10] Mat Germain: So I'm like, why aren't you using them? It's just a trust factor. It's one of those things where the front office gave him pieces that he wasn't comfortable using.
[00:50:18] Nate Andrews: And that that's extremely frustrating. And, you know, post game, you got to just play your role and answer the questions. Like, you know, it's, it's tough.
[00:50:29] Nate Andrews: It's tough, but yeah, I'm a big fan of Kevin Cash. I always had been. So am I. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's a good one.
[00:50:36] Mark Corbett: You know, we'll criticize a piece here or there, but I've got to tell you, the man he's been there was a 10 plus years now, I guess, uh, his tenure is strong because of what he's achieved and I'm looking forward to meeting with you guys here shortly here at Camden Yards, I guess, uh, beginning of September, we'll be there.
[00:50:54] Mark Corbett: Well, yeah, yep, yep. Isn't it right to see, I think we got a games with you guys still.
[00:50:58] Mat Germain: Yep.
[00:51:01] Mark Corbett: You're actually, you're going
[00:51:02] Nate Andrews: to Camden Yards.
[00:51:03] Mark Corbett: Not
[00:51:03] Nate Andrews: me. Oh, I thought, okay, I thought that's what you were saying. I was like, damn, you just went out there last year too. No, I love that place. I would go back. I would go back.
[00:51:11] Nate Andrews: Yeah. For sure. Love that. That's the thing I need to do. I need to get out more with, with different stadiums and, and uh, You know, I've never been, I've never been to Tampa, you know, I, I know it's a beautiful stadium, but I've never been there. You'll love the
[00:51:29] Mat Germain: color show, like as long as the color show
[00:51:32] Nate Andrews: you said,
[00:51:33] Mat Germain: yeah, the lights up.
[00:51:35] Mat Germain: And, uh, so once in a while you'll, you'll get to look up for, you know, five minutes while the ball stuck in one of the rings or bounces off one of them, you're trying to locate it. Oh man, that's funny. Last time I was in Camden was when Jeter was going through for his final tour. And, uh, I really, really, really had a great time talking to the fans there.
[00:51:55] Mat Germain: I had a whole group. Oh, that's
[00:51:56] Nate Andrews: good to hear. And it was, you know,
[00:52:00] Mat Germain: fans were welcomed in the stadium. I just, I, I, I honestly, it was one of the highlights in terms of the stadiums I visited.
[00:52:06] Nate Andrews: Well, speaking of Jeter and the Orioles, Jeter's last hit was a walk off against the Orioles. Oh, Yeah. Yep. Of course.
[00:52:16] Nate Andrews: They gave, I mean, they gave him a meatball. I remember after that game, fans were like, Oh, that was on purpose. I'm like, trust me. It wasn't. That pitcher wanted nothing to do with giving Derek Jeter a walk off. It was just a bad pitch. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:52:30] Mark Corbett: Wow. Well, Nate, is there any other pieces of information you want to make sure you share here today with the people at baseball biz on deck?
[00:52:38] Nate Andrews: No, I just, it's going to be fun coming up. I mean, I just, I think it's fun as in right now, we don't know a hundred percent what we're looking at. You know what I mean? It's just one of those seasons that, um, I think there is a little, little cute, fun stat out there. Where was it? I was going to, um, run that by, I don't know if, um, if I can find it here.
[00:53:01] Nate Andrews: Had to do with this season and pertaining to, um, it was pertaining to a stat that this late in the season, there's never been a team that wasn't at 600 winning percentage. Where was it? Um, my goodness. I thought I had it in front of me, but my point is it's just going to be fun. We, we don't know. It's, it's, you know, anyone's division is still not convinced.
[00:53:27] Nate Andrews: Jazz Chisholm
[00:53:28] Mat Germain: just went down. So, you know, that changes everything.
[00:53:31] Nate Andrews: What, I'm sorry, what did you say, Matt? Jazz Chisholm just went on IL. So, I mean, yeah, you're not kidding, man. So that's what I mean. Like, I, I'm not, I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced the Orioles. Yeah. I'm not convinced that anyone pertaining to the division.
[00:53:45] Nate Andrews: So yeah, it's going to be fun. That's the kind of baseball I like. Well,
[00:53:52] Mark Corbett: we've been talking again with Mr. Nate Andrews from full cat chaos, and man, if you want to catch up with what's going on with the O's and Oreos and all the fun and excitement and critiques, he's the guy.
[00:54:06] Mark Corbett: Oh, thank you
[00:54:07] Nate Andrews: guys for having me on. I, you know, I love talking baseball with you guys, especially knowing how big a baseball fans you are. There's nothing like just sitting down and chatting, baseball, talk, love it.
[00:54:19] Mark Corbett: Well, thanks again, brother, for joining us. And it's been a real pleasure having you here. It always is.
[00:54:23] Mark Corbett: So, uh, thank you wish you and that your team all the best and you as well. All right, my friend, take care of guys. All right,
[00:54:32] Nate Andrews: that went real well. Yeah, no, that was fun. I didn't know, God, we went more than an hour. I hope I didn't hold you guys up there. I'm sorry. We tend to do that a bit. I looked over at the clock and I'm like, I gotta let these poor guys go.
[00:54:50] Nate Andrews: I'm sitting here yapping their ear off.
[00:54:52] Mark Corbett: I can't speak on behalf of Matt, but I gotta tell you, man, I enjoy the conversation and there's plenty of color to it. So thank you. It's always fun. Yeah.
[00:55:01] Nate Andrews: No, it's, it's definitely, I love. I'm trying to keep up with you guys with baseball talk. Well, listen, take care.
[00:55:07] Nate Andrews: Enjoy the rest of the season. Have fun in the playoffs, you know, and uh, Matt, I heard you saying that you're enjoying the, the cool weather coming in. I'm right there with you, man. I hate the heat , so this little bit of cool weather at night. I'm, I'm digging too, man. So it's awesome. Yeah, man. Alright guys, well listen, take care.
[00:55:22] Nate Andrews: I, I'll be talking to you guys again soon I'm sure. And, uh, go raise, go os. Sounds good. Thanks buddy. Take care guys. Take care man. Bye-Bye. Hey
[00:55:31] Mark Corbett: Matt. Okay. Um, everything go pretty well for you on that, on the show? Absolutely. Yeah.
[00:55:38] Mat Germain: I'm sorry if I took over a lot of the questions. No, no, no, no, no.
[00:55:42] Mark Corbett: Never ever worry about that.
[00:55:44] Mark Corbett: Uh, because I think you, you come from a more educated perspective on the game and uh, historically as well. So I think that really answered it. So don't ever worry about that. It was, uh, it was, it was a little fun. But, uh, he's a nut.
[00:56:00] Mat Germain: Yeah. Well, I think he just, you know, when, when you talk to real baseball fans, you know, and when guys are just going through the paces, you know, then, and it's just one of those, you know, you, when you get passionate about things and you have that little bit of, Opinion that you can back up and kind of be happy with and comfortable with then it comes out And so I think that those are the kinds of people you want to have conversations with Yeah,
[00:56:27] Mark Corbett: well if you like it I'll continue to try to find some folks that you know, it makes sense for us to do something together with and but Anyway, well brother.
[00:56:38] Mat Germain: Thanks again Everything well, otherwise,
[00:56:41] Mark Corbett: yeah, yeah, it's kind of, yeah, things are going pretty good and, um, I'm not having to run for Louisville. Dad's doing fairly well. He's 94 now and.
[00:56:53] Mat Germain: That's a stressful age.
[00:56:55] Mark Corbett: Yeah.
[00:56:55] Mat Germain: For those that aren't 94. No.
[00:56:58] Mark Corbett: Hey, and I tell you about that award that a local guy gives each year that's through the Hillsborough County system and baseball, the Tony Saldino award.
[00:57:07] Mat Germain: No, he didn't tell me about that.
[00:57:09] Mark Corbett: Well, this guy, he's instrumental with baseball around here. He's had a tournament for like 40 plus years. And anyway, he picks one person or he has a committee or the school has picked one player each year from the County. And this year, Outside of the tournament. And it is a young man by the name of Noah Sheffield.
[00:57:31] Mark Corbett: Well, cause his dad had won the award here when he was much younger. And his by the name of Gary Sheffield,
[00:57:37] Mat Germain: Sheffield son. Really?
[00:57:38] Mark Corbett: Yeah. So today's Wednesday, tomorrow night, they're going to be meeting at his house because when he gives this award, it's when his wife is allowed a few years back, they would make lasagna dinner.
[00:57:49] Mark Corbett: Um, over at his house and his house is like a museum, man, but, uh, a baseball, but then that I wish I, I wish she, uh, I wish she'd asked me to come by me. I wasn't going to invite myself, but I thought that has got to be so cool. So I asked him to take some photos and we're going to see what that looks like with, uh, young Noah and daddy Gary.
[00:58:12] Mark Corbett: And I got to tell you, Gary Sheffield, if you remember now, he had kind of a wiggle to his 20s. His son's, his son's got that too.
[00:58:21] Mat Germain: No way. The same stance and everything.
[00:58:23] Mark Corbett: Yeah. I'll find something on it. I'll send you a link. It's a, but it's, it's, it's just some of the fun things going around here. So anyway,
[00:58:32] Mat Germain: right on.
[00:58:33] Mat Germain: Well, thanks for having me, Mark. And, uh, yeah, we'll definitely, uh, if ever you have anybody else lined up or anything like that, anytime, anybody, you could have five people on, we'd have a good time. So I
[00:58:42] Mark Corbett: think so.
[00:58:43] Mat Germain: I'm happy with, uh, with whatever you guide towards us towards.
[00:58:48] Mark Corbett: Well, for anybody, you ever want to make, you know, you went down here, let me, let me know, and go ahead and I'll set it up.
[00:58:53] Mark Corbett: But once you tell me who it is, I'll, I'll get it set up. Let's
[00:58:56] Mat Germain: get Pete Rose on here and really fire it up.
[00:58:58] Mark Corbett: Okay. That'd be good. I was thinking about getting the author of the latest book on here. But, uh, yeah, it would be nice to compete. Hey, who knows?
[00:59:07] Mat Germain: I feel bad for the guy. I just think, you know, there, there's certain things that I don't think like the, what is it, the eight men out?
[00:59:14] Mat Germain: I don't think that will ever go away in terms of. You know, the black eye it was for baseball, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But Pete Rose, I think you need to separate the off field with the on field and just, you know, go on because at some point baseball is going to have to come to terms with the whole PED era and everything else.
[00:59:33] Mat Germain: And they're going to have to swallow a lot of pride with a lot of those kinds of things. And I know you're never going to get the, the, uh, I'm sorry from Pete Rose that I think they want. Um, But, you know, I think the U S is all about second chances for the most part. Uh, I don't think allowing him in the hall of fame, fame in some way, shape or form is really a second chance.
[00:59:57] Mat Germain: It's more of a reflection of, uh, of a career that was, you know, notable, extremely notable. So, yeah, I think not having him in there just keeps fans asking the wrong questions instead of what did he do on the field?
[01:00:12] Mark Corbett: Well, and you got to remember, this is the same organization MLB that banned. Our, uh, was it Mickey Maddow and Willie Mays because they were greeters at casinos.
[01:00:23] Mark Corbett: Yeah. Yeah. It's like, geez, Pete. I mean, it didn't last long, but yeah. Well you go ahead and enjoy your time with your family, my friend, and, uh, I'll let you know when this gets up. Take care, buddy.
[01:00:36] Mat Germain: Hopefully they score some runs. Please
[01:00:39] Mark Corbett: brother. Please. Indeed. All right. Take care.
[01:00:42] Mat Germain: Bye bye.